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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16622</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardly anyone uses bleach any more.  It isn&#039;t recommended.   It breaks down the fibers.  It takes more energy and water to manufacture a disposable than it does to wash a cloth diaper.  The &quot;studies&quot; that try to claim that cloth isn&#039;t better for the environment are funded by the disposable diaper companies.  There are modern cloth diapers that are just as easy to use as disposables.  They are the same shape as disposables and they have elastic and snaps or velcro and they contain poop better than disposables.  They are much less expensive in the long run than disposables.  Instead of dropping the diaper in the trash, you drop in in the diaper pail.  Instead of buying more disposables at the store, you throw the cloth diapers in the washing machine.  I use natural detergent and it works fine.  It is true that you are supposed to empty the poop from the disposable diaper into the toilet.  Read the outside of the package.  Human waste does not belong in the landfill.  It is improper disposal.  Cloth diapering doesn&#039;t take any more time than disposable diapering.   It doesn&#039;t involve any more work or stress than disposables.  Disposable diapers are notorious for poop blow-outs.  So then you have to wash the poop out of the clothes and you end up doing as much extra laundry as a cloth diaper user.  Disposable diapers smell much worse than cloth.  With the exception of Tushies, disposables *are* made with plastic and they contain chemical absorbers.  Cloth diapers do not have to be rinsed in the toilet before they are dropped in the pail.  You can spray them off or just shake them over the toilet.  You don&#039;t have to lug the entire pail to the washing machine.  The pail has a cloth liner which you remove from the pail when full, and you just carry the bag to the washing machine.  Similar to removing the trash bag from the trash bin when it gets full of disposable diapers and hauling it outside and putting it on the curb, but I know which one I&#039;d rather do.  You do not have to use pins.  Disposable diapers take up *tons* of landfill space.  They are one of the most common disposable items.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardly anyone uses bleach any more.  It isn&#8217;t recommended.   It breaks down the fibers.  It takes more energy and water to manufacture a disposable than it does to wash a cloth diaper.  The &#8220;studies&#8221; that try to claim that cloth isn&#8217;t better for the environment are funded by the disposable diaper companies.  There are modern cloth diapers that are just as easy to use as disposables.  They are the same shape as disposables and they have elastic and snaps or velcro and they contain poop better than disposables.  They are much less expensive in the long run than disposables.  Instead of dropping the diaper in the trash, you drop in in the diaper pail.  Instead of buying more disposables at the store, you throw the cloth diapers in the washing machine.  I use natural detergent and it works fine.  It is true that you are supposed to empty the poop from the disposable diaper into the toilet.  Read the outside of the package.  Human waste does not belong in the landfill.  It is improper disposal.  Cloth diapering doesn&#8217;t take any more time than disposable diapering.   It doesn&#8217;t involve any more work or stress than disposables.  Disposable diapers are notorious for poop blow-outs.  So then you have to wash the poop out of the clothes and you end up doing as much extra laundry as a cloth diaper user.  Disposable diapers smell much worse than cloth.  With the exception of Tushies, disposables *are* made with plastic and they contain chemical absorbers.  Cloth diapers do not have to be rinsed in the toilet before they are dropped in the pail.  You can spray them off or just shake them over the toilet.  You don&#8217;t have to lug the entire pail to the washing machine.  The pail has a cloth liner which you remove from the pail when full, and you just carry the bag to the washing machine.  Similar to removing the trash bag from the trash bin when it gets full of disposable diapers and hauling it outside and putting it on the curb, but I know which one I&#8217;d rather do.  You do not have to use pins.  Disposable diapers take up *tons* of landfill space.  They are one of the most common disposable items.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16621</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 14-month-old son who wears cloth diapers.   One of our top ten priorities in choosing daycare was that it had to accept cloth diapers, but that wasn&#039;t hard to find at all.  We bought the diapers that snap (as easy as Velcro without that horrible ripping sound) and nylon pants that go over them.  Hardly ever a leak, never a &quot;blow-out&quot;, and this is a kid who loves to eat beans...and who wears the same diaper all night for 10-14 hours.

We use the flushable liners and just drop the poop in the toilet.  Sometimes the liner gets scrunched up and the poop goes off the edge, but we still don&#039;t have to hand-wash, just wipe it off w/TP and the rest comes out in the wash.

We use natural soap and vinegar, no bleach, and the diapers get nice and clean.  It&#039;s just 2 extra loads of laundry a week, as easy as going out to the store--maybe easier since I can do it when baby&#039;s sleeping.  I don&#039;t like the part when I put the dirty diapers into the machine, but that lasts just seconds, and handling the clean diapers is kind of fun.  The water and energy used to wash diapers at home is far less than a diaper service; it&#039;s less water per diaper than is used to flush a toilet or to manufacture a disposable diaper.

You cannot smell our diaper pail unless you&#039;re standing right next to it and it&#039;s been opened in the past 15 minutes.  I remember the stench of the diaper pail when my brother was a baby, and I think it was caused by soaking the diapers in water, which is unnecessary as well as messy and a drowning hazard.  We just toss them in the pail.

He wore disposables for a few days once when he had a rash and I was sick and thought it would be easier.  The gigantic mound of garbage was disgusting, and I felt bad for my kid having to wear those crispy plasticky things.  They may be more &quot;cloth-like&quot; than they used to, but compare them to nice cotton flannel and it&#039;s just no contest!  I use cloth menstrual pads too.  I even used them postpartum before I left the hospital, even though I had no place to hang them after rinsing and had to put them wet into a bag to take home, because I could not stand the disgusting plastic pads any longer!!!  The cloth pads are just like wearing extra layers of underwear.  I don&#039;t mind taking care of my son&#039;s &quot;underwear&quot; and don&#039;t want him to feel as uncomfortable as I do with a disposable pad.

You think it&#039;s nobody&#039;s business what you do, but in fact we all have to live with the landfills and the destruction of trees and petroleum (plastic) to make disposable diapers.

Not using cloth diapers doesn&#039;t make you a terrible parent.  My point is that it&#039;s not all that difficult or yucky, and it has many benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 14-month-old son who wears cloth diapers.   One of our top ten priorities in choosing daycare was that it had to accept cloth diapers, but that wasn&#8217;t hard to find at all.  We bought the diapers that snap (as easy as Velcro without that horrible ripping sound) and nylon pants that go over them.  Hardly ever a leak, never a &#8220;blow-out&#8221;, and this is a kid who loves to eat beans&#8230;and who wears the same diaper all night for 10-14 hours.</p>
<p>We use the flushable liners and just drop the poop in the toilet.  Sometimes the liner gets scrunched up and the poop goes off the edge, but we still don&#8217;t have to hand-wash, just wipe it off w/TP and the rest comes out in the wash.</p>
<p>We use natural soap and vinegar, no bleach, and the diapers get nice and clean.  It&#8217;s just 2 extra loads of laundry a week, as easy as going out to the store&#8211;maybe easier since I can do it when baby&#8217;s sleeping.  I don&#8217;t like the part when I put the dirty diapers into the machine, but that lasts just seconds, and handling the clean diapers is kind of fun.  The water and energy used to wash diapers at home is far less than a diaper service; it&#8217;s less water per diaper than is used to flush a toilet or to manufacture a disposable diaper.</p>
<p>You cannot smell our diaper pail unless you&#8217;re standing right next to it and it&#8217;s been opened in the past 15 minutes.  I remember the stench of the diaper pail when my brother was a baby, and I think it was caused by soaking the diapers in water, which is unnecessary as well as messy and a drowning hazard.  We just toss them in the pail.</p>
<p>He wore disposables for a few days once when he had a rash and I was sick and thought it would be easier.  The gigantic mound of garbage was disgusting, and I felt bad for my kid having to wear those crispy plasticky things.  They may be more &#8220;cloth-like&#8221; than they used to, but compare them to nice cotton flannel and it&#8217;s just no contest!  I use cloth menstrual pads too.  I even used them postpartum before I left the hospital, even though I had no place to hang them after rinsing and had to put them wet into a bag to take home, because I could not stand the disgusting plastic pads any longer!!!  The cloth pads are just like wearing extra layers of underwear.  I don&#8217;t mind taking care of my son&#8217;s &#8220;underwear&#8221; and don&#8217;t want him to feel as uncomfortable as I do with a disposable pad.</p>
<p>You think it&#8217;s nobody&#8217;s business what you do, but in fact we all have to live with the landfills and the destruction of trees and petroleum (plastic) to make disposable diapers.</p>
<p>Not using cloth diapers doesn&#8217;t make you a terrible parent.  My point is that it&#8217;s not all that difficult or yucky, and it has many benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16620</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think:

In the time it took you to write this out and read all the replies, you could have done 4 loads of diapers by now - much more than you would need to do per week, let alone per day.

So much for wasting all your time washing diapers instead of spending time with your baby.

You put yourself out on the internet, like it or not, you&#039;re going to get responses you don&#039;t like.  If you don&#039;t want to hear anything contrary to your own thoughts, don&#039;t put all your thoughts on a public website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think:</p>
<p>In the time it took you to write this out and read all the replies, you could have done 4 loads of diapers by now &#8211; much more than you would need to do per week, let alone per day.</p>
<p>So much for wasting all your time washing diapers instead of spending time with your baby.</p>
<p>You put yourself out on the internet, like it or not, you&#8217;re going to get responses you don&#8217;t like.  If you don&#8217;t want to hear anything contrary to your own thoughts, don&#8217;t put all your thoughts on a public website.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16619</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 03:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why use diapers at all?  http://www.natural-wisdom.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why use diapers at all?  <a href="http://www.natural-wisdom.com/">http://www.natural-wisdom.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: canadiyank</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16618</link>
		<dc:creator>canadiyank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, it was a different lady who didn&#039;t have children yet...but she ended by saying she&#039;d use disposables for daycare. Ah well, going back to lurkdom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, it was a different lady who didn&#8217;t have children yet&#8230;but she ended by saying she&#8217;d use disposables for daycare. Ah well, going back to lurkdom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: canadiyank</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16617</link>
		<dc:creator>canadiyank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one lady said if she had children *again*...

That&#039;s cool about the composting, tho! I would love to do that with the sposies I do use, but it&#039;s not available here and won&#039;t work in our home compost. But I do think it&#039;s safe to assume that the vast majority sposies go in the garbage/landfill vs. commercial composting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one lady said if she had children *again*&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s cool about the composting, tho! I would love to do that with the sposies I do use, but it&#8217;s not available here and won&#8217;t work in our home compost. But I do think it&#8217;s safe to assume that the vast majority sposies go in the garbage/landfill vs. commercial composting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: smarty</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16616</link>
		<dc:creator>smarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yikes. you shouldn&#039;t assume that disposables are going in the garbage; here they are part of the city-wide composting programme.

i was especially amused by the pro-cloth person upthread who ended her post with &quot;if i ever have children...&quot; uh, yeah. if you ever have children, you&#039;ll have a more informed opinion about diapers. come back then.

the fact is that in some places cloth diapers are more environmentally friendly, in some places they are not. it depends on which resources your area has more of: water or landfill space. my area has plenty of water and no landfill areas for garbage, so cloth would make more sense if we didn&#039;t have composting. but in areas like parts of california which often have water shortages, cloth is a very very bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yikes. you shouldn&#8217;t assume that disposables are going in the garbage; here they are part of the city-wide composting programme.</p>
<p>i was especially amused by the pro-cloth person upthread who ended her post with &#8220;if i ever have children&#8230;&#8221; uh, yeah. if you ever have children, you&#8217;ll have a more informed opinion about diapers. come back then.</p>
<p>the fact is that in some places cloth diapers are more environmentally friendly, in some places they are not. it depends on which resources your area has more of: water or landfill space. my area has plenty of water and no landfill areas for garbage, so cloth would make more sense if we didn&#8217;t have composting. but in areas like parts of california which often have water shortages, cloth is a very very bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: canadiyank</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16615</link>
		<dc:creator>canadiyank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you felt upset by the unsolicited advice, I think the lady was just trying to tell you that other things existed (and I seriously doubt she worked for the company! Fuzzibuns are a popular &quot;first-time&quot; cloth dipe since they are simple to use and trim) - I know that *I* had no idea what modern cloth diapers even looked like - I babysat a boy growing up and his mom did flat pieces of flannel with a complicated fold, pins, rubber pants, wet pail, etc. Dh&#039;s grandma gave us 2 mos. of dipe service and I thought , &quot;Yuk, I&#039;d rather have the $.&quot; But after using it (since it was FREE, LOL) I liked it. Then I thought, &quot;Hey, I could do this myself for cheaper.&quot; 

We do not use bleach, a tiny bit of natural detergent, and a front-loading low-water washing machine. I do understand the sanity part, though...when I had PPD really bad the little bit of extra work of cloth was too much, so I used disposables; we also use them for trips. But overall I have enjoyed using cloth with my dds. Somehow I&#039;ve managed to get over the poop/pee thing. :)

But really, the size of house you live in and car you drive have a bigger environmental impact...I&#039;ll still choose reusable products, though...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you felt upset by the unsolicited advice, I think the lady was just trying to tell you that other things existed (and I seriously doubt she worked for the company! Fuzzibuns are a popular &#8220;first-time&#8221; cloth dipe since they are simple to use and trim) &#8211; I know that *I* had no idea what modern cloth diapers even looked like &#8211; I babysat a boy growing up and his mom did flat pieces of flannel with a complicated fold, pins, rubber pants, wet pail, etc. Dh&#8217;s grandma gave us 2 mos. of dipe service and I thought , &#8220;Yuk, I&#8217;d rather have the $.&#8221; But after using it (since it was FREE, LOL) I liked it. Then I thought, &#8220;Hey, I could do this myself for cheaper.&#8221; </p>
<p>We do not use bleach, a tiny bit of natural detergent, and a front-loading low-water washing machine. I do understand the sanity part, though&#8230;when I had PPD really bad the little bit of extra work of cloth was too much, so I used disposables; we also use them for trips. But overall I have enjoyed using cloth with my dds. Somehow I&#8217;ve managed to get over the poop/pee thing. <img src='http://www.misszoot.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But really, the size of house you live in and car you drive have a bigger environmental impact&#8230;I&#8217;ll still choose reusable products, though&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp">http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deborah McWhirters</title>
		<link>http://www.misszoot.com/2005/09/11/um-yes-but-no/#comment-16614</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah McWhirters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used only cloth diapers. You know, the ones with the pins and rubber pants, and never was there so much as a problem. I definitely have to take sides with Jeanne who posted earlier and say that, &quot;all babies should have to wear cloth diapers and rubber pants right from start to finish&quot;. But just in case i have failed to make my point, if i were to have children again, in today&#039;s day and age, my kids would be put into flannelettes with diaper pins and rubber pants! No question about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used only cloth diapers. You know, the ones with the pins and rubber pants, and never was there so much as a problem. I definitely have to take sides with Jeanne who posted earlier and say that, &#8220;all babies should have to wear cloth diapers and rubber pants right from start to finish&#8221;. But just in case i have failed to make my point, if i were to have children again, in today&#8217;s day and age, my kids would be put into flannelettes with diaper pins and rubber pants! No question about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah McWhirters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah McWhirters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used only cloth diapers. You know, the ones with the pins and rubber pants, and never was there so much as a problem. I definitely have to take sides with Jeanne who posted earlier and say that, &quot;all babies should have to wear cloth diapers and rubber pants right from start to finish&quot;. But just in case i have failed to make my point, if i were to have children again, in today&#039;s day and age, my kids would be put into flannelettes with diaper pins and rubber pants! No question about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used only cloth diapers. You know, the ones with the pins and rubber pants, and never was there so much as a problem. I definitely have to take sides with Jeanne who posted earlier and say that, &#8220;all babies should have to wear cloth diapers and rubber pants right from start to finish&#8221;. But just in case i have failed to make my point, if i were to have children again, in today&#8217;s day and age, my kids would be put into flannelettes with diaper pins and rubber pants! No question about it.</p>
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